U.S. Supreme Court Asked to Delay Presidential Election

Brian W. Smith
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Posted by Brian W. SmithOctober 31, 2008 12:33 AM

DISCLAIMER: The author is a registered Independent and does not have an opinion as to the truth and/or veracity of the allegations of the lawsuit referenced in this blog or the information contained at the web sites cited.

According to a press release from attorney Philip J. Berg, he filed a request with the United States Supreme Court on Thursday afternoon, for an injunction staying the presidential election until the Supreme Court determines whether Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to be President of the United States.

According to Mr Berg, he has filed two documents:

  1. Application for an Immediate Injunction to Stay the Presidential Election of November 4, 2008; and
  2. Petition for Writ of Certiorari.

Berg stated, “I am hopeful that the U.S. Supreme Court will grant the Injunction pending a review of this case to avoid a Constitutional Crisis by insisting that Obama produce certified documentation that he is or is not a “natural born” citizen and if he cannot produce documentation, that Obama be removed from the ballot for President".

Berg’s original lawsuit, Berg vs. Obama, was dismissed by the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania last Friday, for lack of standing. Berg questions the logic of the District Court's decision:

"This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution. If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does?"

Mr. Berg has stated that if Barack Hussein Obama will produce a certified "vault" birth certificate, a copy of his Certificate of Citizenship and a copy of his Oath of Allegiance to the United States, that he (Mr. Berg) will dismiss his lawsuit voluntarily. To date, Obama has refused to comply with Mr. Berg's request.

The interesting question to be possibly answered by the U.S. Supreme Court is whether voters, whether Republican, Democratic or Independent, have a right, under the Constitution, to challenge the eligibility of a presidential candidate.

With the presidential election a mere five days away, the Supreme Court will need to act quickly. It is unknown whether Berg asked for an emergency hearing.

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AXJ
Posted by AXJ
October 31, 2008 1:14 AM

AXJ is doing its own investigation regarding this matter.

Carl Leonard Marx
Posted by Carl Leonard Marx
October 31, 2008 2:46 AM

Philip Berg is a retard.

Henri
Posted by Henri
October 31, 2008 8:17 AM

Obama is foreign terrorist and everyone knows it.

verbum
Posted by verbum
October 31, 2008 8:57 AM

Carl Leonard Marx SAID: Philip Berg is a retard. and Barry Soetero alias Barack Hussein Obama is pissing off his pants and scared bribing people to stop us from finding the truth with fraud stolen money.

John Palin
Posted by John Palin
October 31, 2008 9:32 AM

"Philip Berg is a retard"

John Palin
Posted by John Palin
October 31, 2008 9:33 AM

"Philip Berg is a retard." Excellent, insightful commentary. Your public school system teachers should be proud of that argument.

Mick
Posted by Mick
October 31, 2008 10:15 AM

I agree. I think Berg is more of a nutjob. Now we have heard both sides of this important issue.

WYE
Posted by WYE
October 31, 2008 10:33 AM

Yes, Mr. Berg is the gentleman who sued Bush and Cheney under RICO, alleging that they conspired to make 9/11 happen. He also petitioned for disbarrment of three US Supreme Court Justices based on their opinions in Gore v. Bush.

Mr. Berg is ALSO the gentleman about which another district court said, his decision to file suit was "irresponsible decision" and his claims were "utterly barren of any scintilla of legal principles," continuing that, "Other attorneys should look to Mr. Berg's actions as a blueprint for what not to do when attempting to effectively and honorably perform the duties of the legal profession." See LINK and google Holsworth v. Berg to read actual opinions. (Mr. Berg is appealing that decision too.)
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However, regardless of how one characterizes his past actions, THIS case should be considered on its own "merits." In that regard...

1. As the district court ruled, Mr. Berg's legal arguments are frivilous and venture into the unreasonable.

2. As LINK has shown, Mr. Berg's factual allegations have no evidentiary support and his claims are without merit.

Bubbers
Posted by Bubbers
October 31, 2008 12:15 PM

This is not acceptable. What agency has vetted or reviewed Obama's credentials. Why haven't they stepped forward with a statement saying prior to placing Obama on the ballot we reviewed his original birth certificate and school records.

The Founding Fathtes must be rolling in their graves. A Citizen should have the right to question the qualifications of any candidate. There should be a transparent policy in place for every candidate.

It is possible that the Electoral College will vet Obama and if they find he is not qualified they can withold electoral votes, it has happened at least once in the past. Should that happen and Obama be denied the Presidency there will be an enormous crisis in this country.

Sorky
Posted by Sorky
October 31, 2008 1:06 PM

If Barry, a.k.a. Barack, has nothing to hide, then why is has he not produced proof of citizenship? He's a fraud and a liar! He is a confessed communist and will do absolutely no good for our United States of America. Neither will McCain, if elected. They are both puppets of the New World Order movement that seeks to destroy our freedoms.

BethK
Posted by BethK
October 31, 2008 2:16 PM

Thank you for publishing this - as it is NEWS, something the Citizens of the USA are entitled to.

Too bad major media is so mesmerized by Se. Obama, we are not all learning the TRUTH.

Thanks again,
-Beth

BethK
Posted by BethK
October 31, 2008 2:23 PM

How come comments like "Xxxxx Xxxx is a retard" and MANY other angry, foul thoughts come from the Obama followers that are supposedly "caring for all people".... get a grip.

OBAMA IS A WOLF IN SHEEPs CLOTHING.

William St. Augustine
Posted by William St. Augustine
October 31, 2008 3:13 PM

The court was correct. A U.S. citizen does not have standing in U.S. federal courts concerning the question as presented by Philip J. Berg. The U.S. Constition does not establish the right for all U.S. citizens to vote for the Office of President of the United States. We the people send Electors to the Electoral College based on popular vote. The Electors vote for the President. The only individual who would have standing before the Supreme Court on the question posed by Berg would be a member of the 2008 Electorial College.
Find one willing to be hung out to dry.

Tony
Posted by Tony
October 31, 2008 4:06 PM

Obama has produced a copy of his birth certificate. It's online if you need to Google it. He was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, United States. McCain was born in Panama, Central America.

guy
Posted by guy
October 31, 2008 4:59 PM

no matter who you choose to vote for, no candidate should have these kinds of discrepencies with the most basic of credentials for becoming the president. and why should citezens NOT have the right to question ANY candidtate? my vote was intially obama but untill he clears things up (how hard can it be if theres nothing to hide?)im going independant. (or mickey mouse)

Bill Nichols
Posted by Bill Nichols
October 31, 2008 5:05 PM

Per William StA: "The only individual who would have standing before the Supreme Court on the question posed by Berg would be a member of the 2008 Electorial College." Actually that's only partially correct. McCain would have standing, as would Hillary. Folks may notice that neither of *those* two have said squat about it. Maybe they know something y'all don't? -chuckle- Berg is a disgruntled Clintonista & has filed nuisance suits before. This is just more of the same. He knows full well his suit is baseless -- he's playing to the crowd, not the courts. Why? Because he knows the courts will laugh him out of the place. Frankly I'm truly surprised he hasn't been brought up on professional charges before now.

Michelle
Posted by Michelle
October 31, 2008 9:17 PM

Where there is smoke, there is fire. Clearly, Obama is acting very fishy with his birth certificate. Why he posted it, rather than showed it to the media....How he visited his not-so-sick-after-all grandma the minute this story started to pick up steam....Very fishy. So, no doubt he's hiding something. Maybe it's his birthplace, maybe it's his real father, maybe it's his birth religion (Muslim?). I guess we'll never know. Apparently, we Americans will have to get used to that. UNLESS WE VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN...THE ONLY RESPONSIBLE VOTE IN 2008! Please, please, please don't waste your vote on anyone else, and don't not vote (unless you're voting BO of course).

acarter
Posted by acarter
October 31, 2008 9:57 PM

ONLY lies are sealed. Kenya would not have sealed if they had nothing. Hawaii has also sealed his records. Hawaii because it can not find one and Kenya because they can.

Joe Smith
Posted by Joe Smith
October 31, 2008 10:01 PM

All Americans have the right to know.
It's easily reconcilable...What happens
afterwards, may not be as easily handled.
If he wins (Obama), every citizen should call
for campaign and voter reforms, to prevent this ever happening again!

Bill Nichols
Posted by Bill Nichols
October 31, 2008 10:45 PM

Per acarter: "Hawaii has also sealed his records. Hawaii because it can not find one" Major problem with your argument, though, ac: The governor of HI (who was the one who ordered the record sealed) is a _Republican_. What possible reason could a *Republican* governor have for sealing records that could guarantee her party's candidate victory in an election he would have no other chance of winning. ... The answer, of course, is "none at all." ;)

Bill Nichols
Posted by Bill Nichols
October 31, 2008 10:49 PM

Per BethK: "Thank you for publishing this - as it is NEWS, something the Citizens of the USA are entitled to." No, Beth, it's not news. It's not even new. Berg filed his suit months ago. It's a non-story. If you don't believe me, just watch -- the USSC will refuse to even hear his so-called "case." Berg can't win in court, so he's playing to the crowd. Every other suit that's been filed similar to this that has come before a judge (any judge, whether state or federal) has been tossed out. That should tell you something.... ;)

Sam
Posted by Sam
November 01, 2008 10:05 AM

I think Obama needs to provide his birth certificate or be deported just like all the other illegal alien including his aunt.

hhn
Posted by hhn
November 01, 2008 11:05 AM

Barak HUSSEIN Obama?? What if I was running for president and my middle name was ADOLPH???

Hank Strickland
Posted by Hank Strickland
November 01, 2008 1:21 PM

Didn't Obama's grandmother say he was born in Kenya? Berg is not the only person pursuing this birth issue. Do the voters a favor Barack (and the DNC) and clear up this issue once and for all (if you can).

Sam Smoot
Posted by Sam Smoot
November 01, 2008 1:24 PM

First off, the claim that Barack Obama has not released his birth certificate is false. He released it months ago.

The hoaxers have claimed that this certificate is a fake, but have yet to produce any evidence to back that claim up. Their approach, straight out of the Napoleonic code, is to make continual accusations and demand that the accused prove their innocence. They hope that simply by repeating a claim often enough, useful idiots will come to believe it. But here in the United States, we follow the principle that the ACCUSER must prove the accused guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt. What that means is that when the Swift-Boaters accuse Barack Obama of fraud, it is they who are required to provide proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Otherwise, we as citizens are obligated to ignore such baseless accusations.

There is more evidence that backs up the Birth Certificate. Hawaii has two major newspapers, the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin. BOTH newspapers include birth announcements, and pages found in the archives of BOTH newspapers record the August 4th, 1961 birth of Barack Obama.

Hector Maldonado
Posted by Hector Maldonado
November 01, 2008 1:24 PM

@Bill Nichols

I hardly consider this a "nuisance suit".

Jayzee
Posted by Jayzee
November 01, 2008 1:28 PM

@Sam Smoot

I guess the papers were announcing his birth in Kenya?

Jayzee
Posted by Jayzee
November 01, 2008 1:28 PM

@Sam Smoot

I guess the papers were announcing his birth in Kenya?

Sam Smoot
Posted by Sam Smoot
November 01, 2008 1:46 PM

Ya'll can find Obama's birth certificate here:

LINK

Nope! Not Kenya, Honolulu, still apart of the United States of American, unlike Panama were McCain was born.

Sam Smoot
Posted by Sam Smoot
November 01, 2008 2:05 PM

So, by everyone's lack of reason or logic standards here, the just as valid accusation would be:

I think McCain needs to provide his birth certificate or be deported just like all the other illegal alien including his aunt back to Panama.

McCain is a neo-nazi terrorist traitor! (Just like his fellow traitor drinking buddies Gordon Liddy and Oliver North!)

Its up to the RNC to prove otherwise!

Sandra Brosious
Posted by Sandra Brosious
November 01, 2008 2:20 PM

What amazes me is those who do support Obama are clueless about the Constitution, and lack an understanding that a presidential candidate is anti-American; Obama does not have any allegience toward the American flag and reads out of the Koran.

Hello...American people...WAKE UP!! These are red flags that we should be recognizing and standing up to protect our nation over...but instead most Americans are sleeping and contributing toward the destruction of our beloved country over gross neglect and lack of knowledge.

May God help us restore this great nation to the condition our Founding Fathers established it so that we may once again uphold "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" ...

which can only be done by restoring the Constitution and civil liberties that gives us our freedoms!!

WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE IT'S TOOOOOOO LATE!!!!!


W A K E U P!!!

Dan Gonzales
Posted by Dan Gonzales
November 01, 2008 3:47 PM

I must say that I don't need the Supreme Court to figure out for me if I have a right to ask any person for their proof in running for president of the United States of America. Under the laws of this land, We The People retain all rights as granted by our Creator and the basic right to question any public servant in regard to their conduct or authority, is part of our natural rights as we created the Constitution in the first place. The servant does not have more power than the master. It matters not what our servants may say or decide...We The People have the power to alter or abolish them if they do not conform to the confines of the Constitution as agreed prior to their acceptance of public service. It's time to stop being sheep and get the herd back under control!

Mingus
Posted by Mingus
November 01, 2008 4:14 PM

Wow. I rarely post online but, I just gotta say...

Mingus
Posted by Mingus
November 01, 2008 4:17 PM

You guys are a bunch of nutjobs. He WAS born in Hawaii. He has a birth certificate which he has releeased and has been authenticated to prove it ( LINK )

A Law Student
Posted by A Law Student
November 01, 2008 4:25 PM

@ Sandra Brosious
Your interpretation of the constitution is way off. First of all, Article VI, section 3 states "...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
So if he was a Muslim (which he is not), what would it matter? It would not disqualify him to be a candidate for the presidency. Second, the same is true if he had anti-American sentiments (which he does not). A presidential candidate has the right to express anti-American sentiment, and you have the right to not vote for that person. Simple as that.
How ironic of you to try and conjure up some appeal to civil liberties and freedom by asking people to stiffle Obama's and his voter's liberties.
With respect to standing, it is widely accepted that generalized grievances and third parties do not have standing (as mentioned by someone else above). That none of the potentially harmed individuals have brought suit should be very telling as to the merits of such a suit.
Oh, and for your viewing pleasure...
Hawaii officials have declared Obama's birth certificate authentic.
LINK
And this is Obama's birth certificate that you've chosen to ignore.
LINK
Now that you cannot claim a defense of ignorance you can either stare down the truth and accept you were wrong or perpetuate a lie, I suspect you'll choose the latter.

Bill Nichols
Posted by Bill Nichols
November 01, 2008 6:00 PM

"That none of the potentially harmed individuals have brought suit should be very telling as to the merits of such a suit." Indeed. Occam's Razor yet again. Voltaire had it right; common sense, trutrh be told, is not all that common....

Bill Nichols
Posted by Bill Nichols
November 01, 2008 6:06 PM

Per Sandra B:"What amazes me is those who do support Obama are clueless about the Constitution, and lack an understanding that a presidential candidate is anti-American; Obama does not have any allegience toward the American flag and reads out of the Koran." Oh, God. That has got to be the funniest thing I've read since Palin's claim that the investigation that found her guilty of violating Alaska's ethics law, actually vindicated her. Talk about being "clueless about the the Constitution and a lack of understanding...." (mega-lol) Sandra, I hate to have to say this, but you might want to take your 8th-grade US Government/Civics class over again.... }}:)

Bill Nichols
Posted by Bill Nichols
November 01, 2008 6:09 PM

Per Hector: "I hardly consider this a 'nuisance suit'." Possibly you don't, but all the judges it's been presented to do. You know something that qualified legal scholars who've actually studied the suit don't? -evil grin-

Abby
Posted by Abby
November 01, 2008 6:29 PM

Why is America in the predicament that we are in? Why does the rest of the world HATE us when we used to be on good terms with just about everyone? Because of freaking boneheads like you people that cannot accept that Karl Rove sold you a lie -- Obama is not a Muslim...and Bill's right -- so what if he was. Reading the Koran does not make you the Anti-christ or a wolf in sheep's clothing. As a person who is curious about the world, who wants to understand other people, and who just freaking has a brain -- I've READ THE KORAN you moron. Being educated is not a sign of the devil.

Abby
Posted by Abby
November 01, 2008 6:30 PM

To use one's brain, to have the powers of intellect, reasoning, and logic -- what the hell happened America? When did everyone become a fucking redneck?!

Abby
Posted by Abby
November 01, 2008 6:38 PM

To use one's brain, to have the powers of intellect, reasoning, and logic -- why is that such a foreign concept...what the hell happened America? When did everyone become a fucking redneck?! I don't care how you vote -- but do it from a well-informed, well-reasoned, intelligent stance. This case is not news, Mr. Berg is not doing any of us a service. He is wasting your time and creating fear in hopes that you won't think for yourself, that you'll just react to the boogey man WHO DOES NOT EXIST. He's a paranoid little man!! He's an unwitting pawn of the likes of the true Anti-Christ who's name is Karl Rove. If Christ Himself knocked on the front door of most of the people here, you'd throw Him out in the street. He wasn't some light-skinned surfer dude -- do your research -- he would have looked surprisingly like Barak Obama with darker skin and dark hair -- yes, he might even have looked black. Oh MY Word!!! He definitely wouldn't be sporting Sarah Palin's $150,000 wardrobe or trying to pass off the Apostle's traveling expenses on the taxpayers. Use your brains people -- for the love of GOD -- use your fucking brains!

Thomas
Posted by Thomas
November 02, 2008 1:20 AM

God help us I can not bring myself to vote for a man that thinks that someone that planted bombs and killed Americans here at home is a thing before my time. When that man helped launch his political careerer, a traitor is a traitor is a traitor. Wake up America before you loose the rest of your rights like to question his right to be the president.

Sam Smoot
Posted by Sam Smoot
November 02, 2008 2:13 AM

CHARACTERISTICS OF GOOD PROPAGANDA
As the science of mass control evolved, political hacks developed further guidelines for effective copy. Here are some of the gems:
- dehumanize the attacked party by labeling and name calling
- speak in glittering generalities using emotionally positive words
- when covering something up, don't use plain English; stall for time; distract
- get endorsements from celebrities, churches, sports figures, street people...anyone who has no expertise in the subject at hand
- the 'plain folks' ruse: us billionaires are just like you
- when minimizing outrage, don't say anything memorable
- when minimizing outrage, point out the benefits of what just happened
- when minimizing outrage, avoid moral issues
Keep this list. Start watching for these techniques. Not hard to find - look at today's paper or tonight's TV news. See what they're doing; these guys are good!

Sam Smoot
Posted by Sam Smoot
November 02, 2008 2:38 AM

Speaking of traitors...

FASCISM: That school of conservatism philosophy that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the State, typically through the merging of the State and business leadership, together with an ideology of belligerent nationalism.

You all have been played, laid and now robbed by the neo-conservative fascists who took over the Republican Party. And you want to go back and do it again..

Molly
Posted by Molly
November 02, 2008 3:34 AM

Look, he went to Hawaii a week ago under the guise that he was saying 'goodbye' to his ailing grandmother. He went alone. Why wouldn't Michelle and kids go to support their great-grandma and father? Wouldn't that have provided the dream photo op? And then, suddenly, merely days after Obama's departure from Hawaii, Hawaiian governor Lingle sealed his birth certificate under some loophole that Obama needed to protect it from identity theft. Indeed, this is the BIGGEST fairytale ever told. Go Berg!

Nancy
Posted by Nancy
November 02, 2008 8:51 AM

Guys: The issue isn't where was Obama born. It really is that Hawaii sealed public records... I think I'd love my home state to seal my birth record so no one can "steal my identity" but they don't. It's a matter of public record. Obama's should be the same way, we aren't in a Socialist country.
Secondly, I find it beyond belief that a person who won't salute our flag is running for any office, much less is a senator! Our flag is not a representation of the sitting president, it is a symbol of our nation and all that is good about it... if you don't support the current president, get a picture of his face & hang it upside down on a pole... but absolutely DO NOT disrespect our flag!
Also, anyone born anywhere in the world on a US base or US territory is a US citizen... (McCain was born on the US base in Panama) I don't know what the rules of Kenya are - maybe Obama's step-father made Obama a citizen of Kenya after he moved there... whatever, he was born in Hawaii. I don't think their birthplace is as important as their voting record...
That's why I don't support either of them... Vote for Chuck Baldwin constitution party!! LINK

Sam Smoot
Posted by Sam Smoot
November 02, 2008 10:55 AM

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. (Too late!) It needs to stay on crazy McCain's straight lies zig-zag circus clown cross-town express and be gone.

Ah yes, CHANGE WE NEED! Because that is also MY flag and cross your waving there, pal! Its not by any means EXCLUSIVELY YOURS!

For all you neo-nazi dead horse beaters out there..

Hawaii officials have declared Obama's birth certificate authentic. Obama is (gasp!) as American as you or I. Too bad. Get over it.

CASE DISMISSED!

FRANK A HULBERT JR
Posted by FRANK A HULBERT JR
November 02, 2008 11:38 AM

What better way to controll the Citizens of the United States is thru ignorance! All presidential canidates should show birth certificates when they apply to run for office. The Court system and the Electoral College be damed! The rich and arogant Control the Electoral Collage and stop We the people from having our say.

May God help us restore this great nation to the condition our Founding Fathers established it so that we may once again uphold "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" ...

which can only be done by restoring the Constitution and civil liberties that gives us our freedoms!! It is time American Voters rise up for liberty, Honor, and Life!

Rose
Posted by Rose
November 02, 2008 12:14 PM

Obama has NOT SHOWN A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!! If you all READ THE NEWS, THE PRESIDENT OF KENYA SAID HE WOULD RELEASE OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE AFTER (DID YOU GET THAT?) AFTER THE NOVEMBER 4TH ELECTIONS. Why would Kenya release Obama's Birth Certificate IF OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII????? Come on People, this is just plain old common sense here. Also, did anyone else take note that HAWAII ALSO SAID THAT OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS SEALED AS WELL. WHY WHY WHY????? It's time for the American People to wake up to the Truth and Stand for what we Believe in. Berg is doing one of the HARDEST things for US THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY EXPOSING OBAMA TO ALL HIS LIES. WE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO STAND BEHIND BERG AND SUPPORT HIM FOR WHAT HE IS DOING. WHAT IS HE DOING??? HE IS SAVING OUR CONSTITUTION!!!!! WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE AND THERE ISN'T NO CONSTITUTION LEFT FOR US OR OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS!!!!

Sam Smoot
Posted by Sam Smoot
November 02, 2008 12:21 PM

Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 of the Constitution provided for the original fashion by which the President and Vice President were to be chosen by the electors. The primary difference was that each elector voted for two Persons for President, rather than one vote for President and one vote for Vice President. After the choosing of the President, whoever had the most electoral votes, among the remaining candidates, would become the Vice President.

The design of the Electoral College was based upon several assumptions and anticipations of the Framers of the Constitution:

Each state would employ the district system of allocating electors.
Each presidential elector would exercise independent judgment when voting.
Candidates for either office would not pair together on the same ticket.
The system as designed would rarely produce a winner, thus sending the election to Congress.

On these facts, scholars have described the intended role of the Electoral College as simply a body who would nominate candidates from which the Congress would then select a President and Vice President.

However, the emergence of political parties and nationally coordinated election campaigns soon complicated matters in the elections of 1796 and 1800. In 1796, the winner of the election was John Adams, a member of the Federalist Party, and the runner up (and therefore the new Vice President) was Thomas Jefferson, a member of the opposition Democratic-Republican Party.

In 1800, the candidates of the Democratic-Republican Party (Jefferson for President and Aaron Burr for Vice President) each tied for first place. However, since all electoral votes were for President, Burr's votes were technically for him being President even though he was his party's second choice. Jefferson was so hated by Federalists that the party members sitting in the lameduck Congress tried to elect Burr. The Congress deadlocked for 35 ballots as neither candidate received the necessary vote of a majority (nine) of the state delegations in the House. Only after Federalist Party leader Alexander Hamilton—who disliked Burr—made known his preference for Jefferson was the issue resolved on the 36th ballot.

In response to those elections, the Congress proposed the Twelfth Amendment—with electors casting one vote for President and one vote for Vice President—to replace the system outlined in Article II, Section 1, Clause 3. The Twelfth Amendment was proposed in 1803 and was adopted in 1804.

Bill Nichols
Posted by Bill Nichols
November 02, 2008 5:56 PM

"Secondly, I find it beyond belief that a person who won't salute our flag is running for any office, much less is a senator! Our flag is not a representation of the sitting president, it is a symbol of our nation and all that is good about it..." .. I wondered why they were out of tin-foil & funnels at Wal-Mart today. Now I know. -chuckle-

Willy
Posted by Willy
November 02, 2008 8:56 PM

The fact that Berg brought suit against the Bush Admin for involvement in 9/11 tells me this guy is out for truth. He's not out to be popular.

Maybe he's not part of some right wing effort to bring down Obama. Maybe he's just a man who understands what it means to elect a President that wasn't born in the U.S. What it means for a legal and constitutional framework. And maybe he knows he'll never get what he wants, but is willing to break precedent to make the point, that our constitutional framework is in shambles.

By the way, did Obama ever produce a Birth Certificate? Why can't it be a simple YES or NO.

Marc
Posted by Marc
November 02, 2008 11:19 PM

The article was E-mailed to me by my e-mail buddy

link:

LINK

Sam Smoot
Posted by Sam Smoot
November 02, 2008 11:48 PM

COMING OUT OF THE WOODWORK!

"Many white supremacist groups are going more mainstream," says Jack Levin, a Northeastern University criminologist who studies hate crime. "They are eliminating the sheets and armbands. … The groups realize if they want to be attractive to middle-class types, they need to look middle-class."

Jeff Schoep, head of the National Socialist Movement, Interest in the group "has really spiked up," says Schoep, who would not say by how much.

"Historically, when times get tough in our nation, that's how movements like ours gain a foothold," he says. "When the economy suffers, people are looking for answers. … We are the answer for white people.

"And now this immigrant thing in the past couple of years has been the biggest boon to us," Schoep says. "The immigration issue is the biggest problem we're facing because it's changing the face of our country. We see stuff in English and Spanish. … They are turning our country into a Third World ghetto."

"A lot of these small working-class towns are being invaded by different types of people," says Douglas Myers, one of Colony 14's founders. He says the group speaks out for the rights of whites being pushed aside by newcomers.

"It appears they are tapping into and fanning the flames of mainstream America's fear of immigrants," says Ann Van Dyke of the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission. "They are increasingly using the language of Main Street, things like, 'We want safe communities to raise our children.' "

Myers says the group is organizing family-friendly activities, rejecting the violence that made skinheads notorious. For example, they plan gatherings in public libraries.

"It's not the footage from the '80s with people burning crosses. It's a very healthy environment," Myers, 26, says.

"Many people in this country, even if they were upset with the country's immigration policies, never felt that threatened until now," Black, 55, says. "White people were the majority. That's rapidly changing."

Black says the candidacy of Barack Obama has raised his site's profile.

In the past year, members have posted 337 entries on Stormfront related to Obama, ranging from whether an Obama victory will start a revolution among whites to whether the candidate will take away gun rights.

Black's son, Derek, 19, was elected to the Palm Beach County, Fla., Republican committee in August. Local Republican leaders are trying to unseat him after learning of his white supremacist ties.

Don Black, once a Ku Klux Klan leader in Alabama, says he's encouraged by the enthusiasm he sees.

"We see a lot of people coming out of the woodwork," he says.

Jeffers
Posted by Jeffers
November 03, 2008 11:12 AM

Folks, the facts are well represented in this entire process. We SHOULD have the right to question anyone that desires the most powerful posistion in the world. It is our inalienable right as its country's citizens. Forget that I am a law abiding citizen, forget that I excercise my 2nd ammendment rights, forget that I believe that people that work should get ahead if they try and strive to provide a better life for their family. Remember this. Remember the freedoms that founded this wonderful nation. Remember the unity that has brought accolades from other envious nations. Remember the men and women tha have paid so costly a sacrifice that you can sit in front of your living room TV and bitch about whats wrong with the US. Preserve our way of life and do the right thing by voting fo McCain.

verbum
Posted by verbum
November 04, 2008 3:19 AM

OBAMA ENDORSED McCain as "natural born" citizen. Read more for your educ: not from factcheck or fightsmearm LINK Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen SRES 511 RS Calendar No. 715 ATS 110th CONGRESS 2d Session S. RES. 511 Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES April 10, 2008
Mrs. MCCASKILL (for herself, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. COBURN, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. WEBB) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
FULL TEXT PDF
LINK Barry Soetero adopted son of Lol Sotero. Barry got a half-sister to prove it at the primary convention. He became an Indonesian and grew up in
Muslim family. His new alias Barack Hussein Obama when she married to Michelle. Barry lied to Illinois Bar. OBAMA as Kenyan born
LINK In 1981, his mother came back to Hawaii and filed a divorce. From State of Hawaii Court :
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and enter case ID#--->1DV00-0-117619
Officially, Barry's mother Ann Dunham Soetero never had use Obama as her last name. That would had made her a bigamous partner of Obama Sr.

Anonymous
Posted by Anonymous
November 04, 2008 2:54 PM

This is SO not an issue. Get over it, Brian Wasilla Smith.

You're reporting on an issue that just so happened to be a non-issue during the primary season.

How many more times are you going to discuss this inherently xenophobic topic?

Also, you should state who you voted for (even though you claim to be an "Independent") because it appears: 1. You're a bigot (you overly use Hussein and have brought this issue up at least a half a dozen times), unless your trying to just be accurate in calling Obama by his "full name," however, and 2. You're not even respectfully using SENATOR Obama's full title with his full name.

This is lame... I'm done wasting my time on non-news issues. Anybody else that likes this type of commentary, check out the ultra-conservative site HumanEvents.com -- bunch of winners chatting and writing over there :(

Sam Smoot
Posted by Sam Smoot
November 04, 2008 11:05 PM

FOR THE RECORD..

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

FactCheck.org

Oh, by the way, a courtesy copy of Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii would naturally have been sent to Kenya for their records.

Leo
Posted by Leo
November 16, 2008 12:23 PM

Putting aside all the conspiracy theories, some of which are not even worth mentioning.
When did we as a nation lose the ability to question our leaders? This country was founded on the premise of "For the people, By the people".
Even though the rumor mill has gotten a bit out of control, is it so far beyond the realm of reason that a candidate answer a basic question by the citizens he wishes to lead?

c1on
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November 27, 2008 11:21 PM

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