Second Citizenship Lawsuit Filed Against Barack Obama

Brian W. Smith
Brian W. Smith
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Posted by Brian W. SmithOctober 22, 2008 1:40 PM

DISCLAIMER: The author is a registered Independent and does not have an opinion as to the truth and/or veracity of the allegations of the lawsuit referenced in this blog or the information contained at the web sites cited.

A second lawsuit has been filed against Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama over his lack of evidence of U.S. citizenship.

Steven Marquis, a resident of Fall City, Wash., a town about 30 miles southeast of Seattle, has filed a lawsuit against Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed, demanding that Mr. Reed verify Mr. Obama's citizenship status. The complaint seeks specifically that the office of the Washington Secretary of State verify and certify that Mr. Obama is or is not a "natural born" citizen by producing original or certified verifiable official documents. The lawsuit argues that this certification should take place before the election to preclude a constitutional crisis.

Mr. Marquis argues the secretary of state has the authority and duty to not only certify the voters but also and most importantly the candidates and in so doing prevent the wholesale disenfranchisement of voters who would had had an opportunity to choose from qualified candidates had the certification preceded the election process.

Mr. Marquis' lawsuit is the second to be filed seeking proof that Mr. Obama is a U.S. citizen qualified to run for the office of U.S. president. Philip Berg, an attorney who wants Mr. Obama to produce his original birth certificate, filed another suit in Pennsylvania earlier this year.

"At this point, Mr. Obama has not allowed independent or official access to his birth records nor supporting hospital records," wrote Mr. Marquis in a statement. "The Hawaii Health Department has violated Federal law by ignoring formal Freedom of Information requests for the same. Due to the facts and numerous other allegations that would challenge Mr. Obama's fundamental qualifications for office, a Federal lawsuit was filed and is currently being heard in District Court, Pennsylvania."


The Pennsylvania case is being heard by Judge R. Barclay Surrick, who has not made any ruling in the case.

The Washington lawsuit demands injunctive relief directing Mr. Reed to carry out the duty of his office in this regard answering the formal complaints for verification of Mr. Obama and any other candidate appearing on the ballots issues through his office for which formal complaints have been received. The State of Hawaii has refused to release copies of Mr. Obama's birth certificate, because the privacy statutes of the state prevent them from doing so.

In Honolulu, Andy Martin, a longstanding critic of Mr. Obama, filed a lawsuit on Oct. 17, in an attempt to get the Hawaiian Department of Health to release Mr. Obama's birth certificate records.

"One of Mr. Obama's most controversial and contentious issues that he has allowed to fester for years is the question of his birth certificate," said Mr. Martin in a statement. "Mr. Obama has posted at least two versions, maybe more, of a 'certificate' on the Internet. "I want to see a certified copy issued by the State of Hawaii, not one issued by the State of Mr. Obama," he continued. "Why Mr. Obama won't allow direct access to his birth records is beyond me. But the closer we get to discovering the truth about Mr. Obama the more we understand why he is terrified of that truth."


According to the U.S. Constitution, "no person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of 35 years, and been 14 years a resident within the United States."

The parties (and the country) await decisions by the judges in these cases. See affliated blogs on this subject at this link and this link and this link.

UPDATE: Brian Smith has been asked to appear on Roy King's radio show this afternoon (Saturday) at 4:30 Eastern, to discuss the Berg lawsuit and these blogs.

The show can be heard at this link: http://www.newstalk980.com/personality/roy-green

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IWant2Know
Posted by IWant2Know
October 22, 2008 2:45 PM

Abd.. a lawsuit vs obama in Utah

Mike
Posted by Mike
October 22, 2008 2:49 PM

A lawsuit like this should be filed in every state of the union.

Rich
Posted by Rich
October 22, 2008 3:03 PM

Obama will post supposedly official documents on his and other web sites, but won't produce the originals for inspection by the court. If he did so, the lawsuits would go away. So, why not do it. Why argue about standing and seek to delay discovery? Something to hide perhaps?

Jay
Posted by Jay
October 22, 2008 3:35 PM

Can they go to U.S. Supreme Court like Jennifer Brunner did?

Very Afraid
Posted by Very Afraid
October 22, 2008 3:48 PM

To understand Obama, What he has done, Is doing, And surely will do, first his disease of Grandiose
-Milignant Narcissism must be understood. Obama is very much disease driven and will surely do whatever he deems necessary to rise to power. yet, No measure of power will ever satisfy his disease driven craving for ego inflation. He must be The Messiah, He must be a God. America can never be First, Obama must always be First and Most Supreme... Beware Obama... Be Afraid... Be VERY Afraid !!!

bob
Posted by bob
October 22, 2008 4:04 PM

Born in the U.S.A.
LINK

Bubbers
Posted by Bubbers
October 22, 2008 4:20 PM

Factcheck is not a part of the government, nor qualified to make the determination of authenticity. Further, there are possible ties between factcheck and Obama that makes this the more reason for an independent qualified agency to make the determination. Also, the vault copy of the birth certificate is different than what has been produced. All Obama has to do is produce a certified copy of the original birth certificate that shows the doctors names, weight, etc. It may cost him $50.00 to do so. Instead he and the democratic party have hired a very expensive legal team to fight this on technical grounds. Why not produce the birth certificate and make all of this go away? With the state of the country this type of issue must be answered to avoid what could become an enormous issue if it is demonstated that Obama is not qualified to serve as President should he be elected.

Polarik
Posted by Polarik
October 22, 2008 4:27 PM

I am the first person, and the only person, to prove that the images posted at Fight The Smears, the Daily Kos, and FactCheck are all directly copied from one single, forged COLB image.

Polarik
Posted by Polarik
October 22, 2008 4:27 PM

I am the first person, and the only person, to prove that the images posted at Fight The Smears, the Daily Kos, and FactCheck are all directly copied from one single, forged COLB image.

Polarik
Posted by Polarik
October 22, 2008 4:27 PM

I am the first person, and the only person, to prove that the images posted at Fight The Smears, the Daily Kos, and FactCheck are all directly copied from one single, forged COLB image.

Scott
Posted by Scott
October 22, 2008 4:28 PM

He knows & is hiding the REAL TRUTH! If he's elected he and the liberal congress will not only seek to "erase" the 2nd Amendment, but they will also seek to further twist up OUR CONSTITUTION that states "no person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of 35 years, and been 14 years a resident within the United States." He will say that it was the "will of the people" that he was elected, and that OUR CONSTITUTION needs to be "corrected" as a result; essentially making him a legitimate, illegitimate president. Can we not postpone the election until he has provided definitive proof of his citizenship? More conservatives in every other state need to file a lawsuit every day until Nov. 04.

Scott
Posted by Scott
October 22, 2008 4:28 PM

He knows & is hiding the REAL TRUTH! If he's elected he and the liberal congress will not only seek to "erase" the 2nd Amendment, but they will also seek to further twist up OUR CONSTITUTION that states "no person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of 35 years, and been 14 years a resident within the United States." He will say that it was the "will of the people" that he was elected, and that OUR CONSTITUTION needs to be "corrected" as a result; essentially making him a legitimate, illegitimate president. Can we not postpone the election until he has provided definitive proof of his citizenship? More conservatives in every other state need to file a lawsuit every day until Nov. 04.

Concerned American
Posted by Concerned American
October 22, 2008 4:35 PM

There are a total of four lawsuits currently in place to produce Obama's birth certificate. The first in PA, then WA, UT, HI.

A good article on this site giving a ten minute interview on the details of the lawsuit -- search "birth certificate" on
LINK

AXJ of Kenya
Posted by AXJ of Kenya
October 22, 2008 4:40 PM

Apparently AXJ of Kenya has contacted hospital authorities and will be posting documentation. Stay tuned to: LINK

Gina
Posted by Gina
October 22, 2008 6:12 PM

The veracity of FactCheck.org has been weighed since the Annenberg Foundation sponsors the site and was the organization that hired Obama to work with their foundation in the 1990's. In other words, like the birth certificate they have produced, their posting isn't trustworthy.

ed wood
Posted by ed wood
October 22, 2008 6:31 PM

Obama is a creepy mo-fo'.

Polarik
Posted by Polarik
October 22, 2008 7:21 PM

Born in Kenya. Forged his COLB.

Diogenes
Posted by Diogenes
October 22, 2008 8:26 PM

Please remember, any of you that put any credence in the document supposedly vetted by Factcheck.org: That document is simply a current-day, computer-generated printout of data that supposedly resides in the databases of the State of Hawaii. Whether this database contains information actually recorded from an original birth certificate or perhaps even from someone's imagination is impossible to say. I for one will not be satisfied with anything less than the original document from the State of Hawaii's archives, stating date, place, time, attending physician/nurse, length, weight, etc. Only then can we be assured there is no doubt.

Diogenes
Posted by Diogenes
October 22, 2008 8:31 PM

To continue just a bit -- I have no doubt that the document presented by the Obama campaign and "verified" by factcheck and others is in fact an official document from the State of Hawaii, with data that is correct to the best of their (limited) knowledge. I say limited because again, this is simply a representation of the entries in their databases, not a fully-verified statement of fact gleaned from examination of the actual, original birth certificate created when the birth took place (if, in fact it really took place in Hawaii.)

Slathered
Posted by Slathered
October 22, 2008 9:38 PM

Where is the actual hard-copy, original
birth certificate? The American people
don't want to see some document on the
internet. The American people want proof
that this B.O. is not a fraud !!

J
Posted by J
October 22, 2008 10:19 PM

It's not illegal to lose your original birth certificate. If the scanned document is all that remains then there's not really an issue, right?

America Von Afro
Posted by America Von Afro
October 22, 2008 11:04 PM

You sorry-azz White people are PATHETIC. Can't wait to see the Mass Suicides that will occur once HUSSEIN takes his rightful place as President. I'm going to be LM-BLACK-AO!!!!! Hateful rotten Cracker-Stacker LOSERS!

iwantmoney
Posted by iwantmoney
October 23, 2008 12:19 AM

Pleese dont fined out about obama born papers.
I need sum money Obama is get to give me.
evry body must share. that's america law.

Sharon
Posted by Sharon
October 23, 2008 12:54 AM

Quoted Here: "It's not illegal to lose your original birth certificate. If the scanned document is all that remains then there's not really an issue, right?"

Against the law to used a photocopied or scanned birth certificate, especially when using it to qualify for a Presidential level security clearance (smile).

Actually, even for the average "Joe The Plumber", birth certificate photocopies are illegal to use for forms of identification to get a license of any type, apply for any government job or aid, or to apply for a passport, or any number of things.

The Baron
Posted by The Baron
October 23, 2008 1:24 AM

So, what about McCain being born in Panama? Why are their no lawsuits about that?

superduperman
Posted by superduperman
October 23, 2008 1:40 AM

Its all settled with McCain.

Voice of Reason
Posted by Voice of Reason
October 23, 2008 7:23 AM

It is absolutely reasonable that we demand a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate BEFORE the election. This is urgent. He is a prospective employee, if we the people are to "hire" him as our President I say he come forward with the records. And all the records -- he isn't giving us his University records, etc. either.. Is he above the law??

Interesting that he "happens" to fly down there to Hawaii to see his sick Grandmother right when Andy Martin "happens" to also be down there digging up dirt on Obama. He must be on to something!

LINK

GiveMeTheTruth
Posted by GiveMeTheTruth
October 23, 2008 7:52 AM

You can't even use a bc photocpy to register your son for Little League Baseball, but it's being allowed for Presidency! It makes no sense. I agree, conservatives in every state should be filing a lawsuit in every state of the Union. The truth needs to be known!

Slathered
Posted by Slathered
October 23, 2008 8:41 AM

For every dollar B.O. pays to his male campaign
staffers, he pays 83 cents to his female staffers.
For every dollar McCain pays to his male campaign
staffers, he pays $1.04 to his female staffers.
Hussein talks a good game about equal pay for equal work, but when it comes to actually doing it
......well.

Aaron
Posted by Aaron
October 23, 2008 9:06 AM

Are the American people that they can't see what is going on with this man? Why would he not show his birth records to the American people? Oh....I know why! Cause he is a fraud! This is the biggest joke of an election I have ever seen! Ask John McCain to show his birth records....someone please ask him! I want him to do a press release to show everyone he is an American citizen! We need another "Joe the Plumber" to randomly ask Obama in the streets why he can't show the American people records!

Aaron
Posted by Aaron
October 23, 2008 9:09 AM

Are the American people that they can't see what is going on with this man? Why would he not show his birth records to the American people? Oh....I know why! Cause he is a fraud! This is the biggest joke of an election I have ever seen! Ask John McCain to show his birth records....someone please ask him! I want him to do a press release to show everyone he is an American citizen! We need another "Joe the Plumber" to randomly ask Obama in the streets why he can't show the American people records!

Aaron
Posted by Aaron
October 23, 2008 9:20 AM

Another thing....How is this man supposed to lead a country of millions of people if he can't even keep track of his own birth certificate?!!!!! WTF!!!!is with Americans? Have we become so concerned about every other country we have lost focus on our own? This Obama guy is a sweet talker and has just said the right words at the right time.....and the American people are to dumb to realize it!!!!! So sit back and sip your morning coffee as our country is economically falling on its face....and some people will make the worst political decision of their life!Mark my words...our world will crumble if this man is put into office!!!!! Read the bible and tell me who this Obama guy is!!!!

rickeydean
Posted by rickeydean
October 23, 2008 11:29 AM

The fact is Obama HAS been vetted and has shown his birth certificate to those who need to see it. Just because some nut jobs have filed lawsuits means absolutely nothing. He is under no obligation to produce documents to some random individual off the street. And if some complete stranger filed a lawsuit against me to produce my birth certificate, I'd do exactly the same and ignore it. My suspicion is that if the Judge has any sense, he/she will throw the lawsuit out. What a waste of the court's time and no doubt we'll all be paying for this.

wolf
Posted by wolf
October 23, 2008 12:12 PM

I think, it's sad, that so many people would engage in such character-assassination. I suspect, years from now, when their grandchildren ask what they did during this time... they will have to lie.

Scott
Posted by Scott
October 23, 2008 12:37 PM

I think I will tell my grandchildren the same thing that I am currently telling my children; that is, there is a candidate for President of the United Sates that could not and would not prove to the people of this nation whether or not he was even meeting one of the basic constitutional requirements to hold the office of the President of the United States of America. And, that I along with many other concerned American Citizens fought to make this man prove that he was not defrauding the American People, and trampling on the United States Constitution. I'll tell you what is sad an so extremely twisted and demented is that the DNC spent more time digging into an average American citizen that asked Obama a simple question about his tax policies that they have spent proving the now 4 or 5 lawsuits regarding Obama's citizenship status; the are actually expending plenty of effort to stall giving every American a truthful answer to a simple question. Seems to me that unless there is something to hide then you'd just provide the proof. Damn it people WAKE UP!!! You're not even allowed to vote in this election unless you can prove you're a citizen! Well, unless of course you were registered by groups like ACORN, and are now rushing to different early voting lines to cast your vote as many times as you can before you're caught.

Scott
Posted by Scott
October 23, 2008 1:00 PM

LINK

Scott
Posted by Scott
October 23, 2008 1:07 PM

After what Obama and the Joyce foundation tried to do to the 2nd Ammendment; what do you think he'd propose be done with the basic requirements of "Citizenship" to hold office of President of the United States? I'm guessing that if he's elected; THEN and only then he will prove he's NOT a US Citizen and propse that OUR Constitution be abolished and replace it with a new Declaration of the Socialist Republic of North American States.

mel
Posted by mel
October 23, 2008 1:23 PM

Can't our politiicans do anything? Why have they been silent for so long, while CNN complains about the cost of Palin's wardrobe?

Ace
Posted by Ace
October 23, 2008 2:29 PM

Obama sure is spending a lot of time and money on lawyers to avoid proving he has a birth certificate and is a valid natural US citizen. He's blowing a lot of taxpayer money and wasting the courts time. Seriously, if he has it, he can produce it, prove he is a natural US citizen and that is that.

bob
Posted by bob
October 23, 2008 3:29 PM

call your senators, call your congressman, call your local paper, and call the news agencies, and call your major newspapers.

this country is about to allow our constitution to be compromised. The reason it is there is to protect us.

Emjay
Posted by Emjay
October 23, 2008 5:24 PM

This is everything you ever wanted to know about Obama. Should knock your socks off!

LINK

Steve
Posted by Steve
October 23, 2008 6:44 PM

Bob,

Factcheck.org is owned by Annenberg, Obama sat on their board for a number of years.
Factcheck.org is useless for checking any Obama facts!

factchecker
Posted by factchecker
October 23, 2008 7:57 PM

I demand to see McCain's birth certificate. He must prove that he was born here. Also, even if he was born here, I heard he renounced his citizenship when he was in Vietnam. He must PROVE that he didn't.

Also, I want to see all of your birth certificates as well. I have a RIGHT to see any certificate I want no matter what!!!!

see how ridiculous that all sounds. now get a life.

Taebody
Posted by Taebody
October 23, 2008 8:06 PM

LINK

Barack Obama is, in fact, a natural-born citizen of the United States, for the simple reason that he was born on American soil (in Hawaii, two years after it acquired statehood). The age and citizenship status of Obama's parents at the time have no bearing on Obama's own citizenship.

Any confusion on this point is the result of misunderstanding the legal concepts of jus sanguinis (right of blood) and jus soli (right of birthplace). Here is how the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service explains the difference:

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizenship at birth to almost all individuals born in the United States or in U.S. jurisdictions, according to the principle of jus soli. Certain individuals born in the United States, such as children of foreign heads of state or children of foreign diplomats, do not obtain U.S. citizenship under jus soli.
Certain individuals born outside of the United States are born citizens because of their parents, according to the principle of jus sanguinis (which holds that the country of citizenship of a child is the same as that of his / her parents).

It is a fact that under the provisions of Article Two of the U.S. Constitution naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of president, but this disqualification does not apply to Barack Obama, who has been a citizen since birth.
Update: Is Barack Obama's birth certificate valid?
Self-styled "experts" have questioned the validity of Obama's Hawaii birth certificate as posted online, but after examining the actual physical document, reearchers at the Annenberg Public Policy Center's Factcheck.org website concluded it is authentic. The state of Hawaii has also affirmed its authenticity.

Dot
Posted by Dot
October 23, 2008 8:39 PM

UMMMM
About the concept of Hawaii State and fact check.

I think if you go to this site you will find Hawaii is in the middle of a mess about it.

LINK

william Hall
Posted by william Hall
October 23, 2008 10:11 PM

Hey the governor of California wants to run for the office of the President of The United States of America. I guess he will get a forged Birth record to say he was born in East L.A. I am for that he would kick Nobamas backeside. Obama is a fraud wake up people. Look at the states hurt by this False economy all on the Coast except New Mexico. Now maybee Nevada. Looks like the ones Voting for Obama are the real problems here Like NY Las Vegas Calif Wash. Penn. all leftist now. Why are they killing our economy FREEBEES welfare. We need no more left wing people in this Country.

janice
Posted by janice
October 23, 2008 10:23 PM

It's time to send an army of attorneys and private investigators to Hawaii and Kenya, just like the librals sent to Alaska regarding Sarah Palin!!
OCTOBER SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SUPRISE!!

janice
Posted by janice
October 23, 2008 10:23 PM

It's time to send an army of attorneys and private investigators to Hawaii and Kenya, just like the librals sent to Alaska regarding Sarah Palin!!
OCTOBER SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SUPRISE!!

janice
Posted by janice
October 23, 2008 10:23 PM

It's time to send an army of attorneys and private investigators to Hawaii and Kenya, just like the librals sent to Alaska regarding Sarah Palin!!
OCTOBER SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SUPRISE!!

janice
Posted by janice
October 23, 2008 10:23 PM

It's time to send an army of attorneys and private investigators to Hawaii and Kenya, just like the librals sent to Alaska regarding Sarah Palin!!
OCTOBER SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SUPRISE!!

eddie
Posted by eddie
October 24, 2008 12:25 PM

Laughing out loud that ambulance chasers who disclaim any political axe to grind "We're independents and above it all" choose to highlight the most specious law suit they can find. As lawyers you might want to point out to your rabid readers for whom you have produced this red meat that there might be a little thing called standing that get's in the way of this law suit.

Oh yes, and please all of you commenters regarding how you would react if someone questioned your citizenship or some other thing: would your really go out there and spend your money on a lawyer to defend you against someone's claim that you prove something? Isn't the bed rock of our justice system that anyone who wants to get judicial remedies themselves prove something? But I guess that's just one of those pesky "technicalities" we always here criminals getting set free on. And before I here from other legal professionals about the difference between criminal and civil court (which is apposite since the difference, among other things is about the burden of proof), it still is necessary that any plaintiff (or the state) actually come forward with a reasonable basis for the claims, and show an actual harm. Here we have someone demanding proof without making any proof themselves except the circular demand that it has not been produced to such person's satisfaction. It's always humorous to find such demands that this is a case where a court must decide from people who deride any other court decisions that do not comport with their sense of dogma.

B. Smith
Posted by B. Smith
October 24, 2008 12:37 PM

Eddie:

Thank you for your insightful comment. If you read all of my blogs, you would see that I did not "highlight" the Berg case, nor have I taken a position in favor of one side or another. I mentioned all of the cases that have been filed (that I am aware of) and have provided links to web sites from both parties. The Berg case just happens to be the case that has had the most recent activity.

As for your amubulance chaser comment, I would point out that, at least traditionally, trial lawyers tend to support Democratic candidates. Given Mr. Obama's comment (during the last debate) regarding his support for tort reform, I'm not sure where he stands on that issue, to be honest with you. Perhaps, he'll clarify his position prior to the election.

Brian Smith

TC
Posted by TC
October 24, 2008 2:25 PM

Nice idea factchecker. Let's have both McCain and Obama show up at the FEC with their original birth certificates on Monday. McCain will do it. Obama has shown he won't (or can't).

wye
Posted by wye
October 25, 2008 12:35 PM

Re: Berg's Complaint - upon which all others are based -

According to Jeff Schrieber at www.America'sRight.com, and The Philadelphia Daily News, the Court has dismissed Berg's complaint, supported by a 34-page memorandum.

The Philadelphia Daily News reports that
In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters.

Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."

Jeff, at www.America'sRight.com reports that Surrick expressed dissatisfaction with the type of "evidence" Berg provided to support his allegations. From the Court's opinion: ".... To support his contention, Plaintiff cites sources as varied as the Rainbow Edition News Letter … and the television news tabloid Inside Edition. ..."

Jeff reports that Surrick also noted Berg's misinterpretation of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

=========
Jeff also notes that Berg "will issue a press release today detailing his plans to appeal to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals and then to the United States Supreme Court."

Philly link: LINK

Dawn
Posted by Dawn
October 25, 2008 3:42 PM

ALL----WATCH THIS VIDEO
LINK

cbh
Posted by cbh
October 25, 2008 5:20 PM

The viciousness and unfounded resentment displayed in most of these comments are anti-American, and the ignorance of the people supporting these lawsuits is wasting taxpayer time and money. In addition to Obama's birth documents being judged authentic by any and every credible agency, a birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Honolulu Advertiser listed Obama's birth as having occurred in Hawaii on Aug. 4.

Kevin J
Posted by Kevin J
October 26, 2008 1:34 AM

Folks now is the time to petition your congress-persons to Stop the Obama Constitutional Crisis that is about to occur.

LINK

Kevin J
Posted by Kevin J
October 26, 2008 1:45 AM

cbh, ignorance would be taking Obama's word for it --or people who have a vested interest in seeing him succeed (DailyKos, factcheck.org, dept of health in state of Hawaii, etc.)-- that he is born in Hawaii. There is only one legal way for him to prove that he was, in fact, born in HI and that would be to present his "vault" copy, long-form CERTIFICATE (not "certification") of Live Birth. Would you accept Rush Limbaugh's or Sean Hannity's word that they had authenticated the COLB of John McCain? What explanation can you give that Obama should not be required to prove that he is a natural born citizen. What you may have seen on various sites is a JPEG image of his "certification of live birth"...anyone with a computer and image editing software could reproduce that image in an hour, which is precisely WHY it is NOT proof enough.

Rick
Posted by Rick
October 27, 2008 1:07 PM

People are so raped up in the color of this guy that they forget the real issues, he has close ties to muslims and islamic leaders. I don't care if he's orange, I'm a chistian and if he is he needs to stop meeting with muslim and islamic leaders...One nation under GOD....

Laura
Posted by Laura
October 27, 2008 10:59 PM

My "birth certificate" from Texas looks just like Obama's. When we apply for a new one now, we get one of those official ones like Obama's except ours are printed on blue paper instead of green. We don't get a photocopy of the old original anymore. If Obama's family lost his original birth certificate somewhere along the way, that's the only birth certificate he will ever get. It is certified by the clerk in Hawaii. It is what it is and I wish people would move on to the issues and drop the smear tactics.

As for your post, Rick, he has no muslim ties. His father was an atheist. He was raised in a Christian church by his white grandparents. As for "one nation under God" that doesn't mean the God of Abraham necessarily. It means whatever you or I believe God to be, whether it's the God of Abraham or the Goddess or the God of the Sun. It's call freedom of religion. I will have no religion forced upon me by a zealous group of individuals who believe their way is the only way.
And if meeting with Islamic leaders puts an end to this war that is wasting lives then I'm all for meeting with them. I'll go with him if he needs me!!!

Keith
Posted by Keith
October 29, 2008 9:02 PM

If Obama was white, none of you would be going to this level to smear him. You people are trying to do anything in your crooked minds to harm this man.
None of you are "TRUE AMERICANS" If you were, then you would be focused on what this man stands for.
On November 4th, we will have a new President and his name is Barrack Hussein Obama...get used to it!

pose it up
Posted by pose it up
October 29, 2008 9:29 PM

I FOUND THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!! LINK

wye
Posted by wye
October 31, 2008 7:55 PM

STATE DECLARES OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE GENUINE

LINK

"HONOLULU – State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest."
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Integrity One
Posted by Integrity One
November 14, 2008 4:32 AM

President-Elect Obama's paternal grandmother, a half brother and half sister claims he was born in Kenya. His paternal grandmother has confirmed she was present at his birth in Kenya, as well as assisted in the birth.

Time ro pour more than just an outcropping of official investigators into Kenya, South Africa, for the birth records. Time to investigate the Hawaii and Kenyan airline flights before, during and after his birth. It is time to STOP overlooking and ignoring his every-increasing and outrageous ill reputive conduct and associations. It's time to get real and wake up. Our future generations demand that. It's time to stand together for the good of the people and the U.S. Never before has so much been overlooked about any individual involved with our government, let alone a president.

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